tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post1363769382204651438..comments2020-05-20T13:00:58.714-07:00Comments on Language & Landscape Program: Cultural Expressions of the Lheidli T'ennehThielmannhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15907258798180934257noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-34478931472327293022015-02-03T15:45:51.023-08:002015-02-03T15:45:51.023-08:00Thanks for adding your thoughts to this discussion...Thanks for adding your thoughts to this discussion from last year's class. I agree that Aboriginal languages should qualify for academic purposes as well as other distinctions. It would be a very good idea to take this up with the (university's) senate. For example, ask the UNBC Senate to consider this issue and provide a response.Thielmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15907258798180934257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-9672720223972151602015-02-03T12:02:13.303-08:002015-02-03T12:02:13.303-08:00I struggle with this topic. Do you know that in or...I struggle with this topic. Do you know that in order to apply to university you have to have a grade 11 language, but it can only a language that is recognized by the university like French, Spanish or German. If you are Aboriginal person, like myself, and speak your own language it does not count as a pre-requisite. Also once I was at University I was told I have to have a second language to graduate with a BA, so I asked to take Secwepemc to honour the people whose territory I was on (I moved away for school). I was denied and told that Secwepemc was not deemed a "useful" language. Can you imagine being told your language is not “useful”?!?!? The language of the people whose territory the university is on; the language you use to talk to your grandparents and Elders every day?!?!<br />If we want to revive First Nation languages we need to recognize these languages as “useful” on all levels of society, academics and government.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-28102214837731648762013-11-20T15:08:27.621-08:002013-11-20T15:08:27.621-08:00In coastal communities, for example the 'Namgi...In coastal communities, for example the 'Namgis Nation in Alert Bay, BC they have similar structures they call a "Big House." These buildings traditionally housed families, clans and ceremonies. Now, they are only ceremonial structures used in potlatches and special occasions. Various Nations in the Carrier Sekani Traditional territories which include the Lheidle T'enneh also call these ceremonies "Bahlats." Big Houses have huge fires in the middle and openings at the top, similar to teepees used by Nations in the Prairies, for example, Cree. These openings allow for smoke to escape. Sometimes when the air pressure outside is greater, these structures become very "smokey." Hopefully, some of this information will ignite further inquiry.<br />Terry E.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-86836346727348925842013-11-19T09:38:26.984-08:002013-11-19T09:38:26.984-08:00Lheidi T'enneh Inquiry
Reading this and lookin... Lheidi T'enneh Inquiry<br />Reading this and looking back to the field trip we took to the museum it was quite interesting to learn, and look at the different aspects of the Lheidi T'Enneh culture and development that took place. I had a few questions while being at the Exploration Place. For example How do you think the handled people coming onto their land and Basically Changing their whole systems? I know for a fact some of the tools and goods would be quite beneficial but also it would be quite taboo and hard to comprehend. So why was it so easy for the Europeans to come over and take advantage, if the Lheidi T'Enneh culture was developing at a rapid pace? They were still people, they still have all of the emotions and feelings a European had. For myself I'd get tired of all of it and stand up for myself. They weren't hopeless, so why didn't their word matter? please explain this to me, as I do not understand.<br /><br /> Not everyone sees all of the terrible things that have happened to the Aboriginal peoples of Canada, but I hope they'd learn the history. Canada has been through a lot. I think this could have been solved more tactfully. I hope our population has grown to accept others. What exactly was wrong with the way aboriginals were living? What made them different to other people in different countries? How was it okay to take advantage of them? How is this still considered acceptable in this day in age? Have we solved the problems that were created for aboriginal cultures in Canada, or is there anything we could be doing to improve the lives of people who were effected by the development of Canada?<br /><br />-Rosie Chrona Martinez.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-81043021428252178692013-11-18T10:49:37.853-08:002013-11-18T10:49:37.853-08:00Since that question was a dead end, I decided to s...Since that question was a dead end, I decided to say what piece I found the most intriguing. The thing that I found most interesting at the exhibit is the different tools that they made to improve their fishing techniques. The amount of time, patience, and skill it must of taken to make the nets and spears is astonishing. My favorite contraption they devised is the cylindrical net made for trapping fish. These nets were called concical basket traps. The Lheidli T’enneh would build dykes or weirs across rivers and leave an opening to place the baskets. If it was properly set up, it could catch roughly 1000 salmon a day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-21417392281608237382013-11-11T17:01:03.891-08:002013-11-11T17:01:03.891-08:00Do you have a full response posted somewhere?Do you have a full response posted somewhere?Thielmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15907258798180934257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-91705815698431007262013-10-29T11:45:41.472-07:002013-10-29T11:45:41.472-07:00The Lheidli T'enneh were one of the first Firs...The Lheidli T'enneh were one of the first First Nations groups to get involved with negotiations with the BC Treaty Process. It began 20 years ago, but in 2006 the Chief Counselor initialed a final agreement. The final agreement went to vote in April 2007 and the agreement was rejected, by few votes. A second vote may come within the next few years after family discussions, online surveys, individual interviews, and planned community events.<br />-Hannah m. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-73755903122416730102013-10-29T11:34:18.621-07:002013-10-29T11:34:18.621-07:00What were the treaties like and how did they affec...What were the treaties like and how did they affect the Lheidli T'enneh?<br />- Hannah M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-49601211659444550072013-10-28T12:04:17.196-07:002013-10-28T12:04:17.196-07:00On October 29, 2006 the Lheidli T'enneh became...On October 29, 2006 the Lheidli T'enneh became the first people to initial a treaty with British Columbia and Canada within the framework of the British Columbia Treaty Process created in response to the Delgamuukw case. It remains for the treaty to be ratified by a vote of Lheidli T'enneh band members, by the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia, and by the Canadian Parliament.<br /><br />On February 9, 2007 the Treaty 8 First Nations launched a legal challenge of the ratification of Lheidli T'enneh treaty. The Treaty 8 First Nations asserted that Canada, British Columbia and the Lheidli T'enneh did not adequately consult them about the overlap of the Lheidli T'enneh treay area and the area of Treaty 8.<br /><br />The Treaty 8 First Nations sought an interlocutory injunction preventing the ratification of the treaty until such time as the parties resolves the issues of the overlap. Justice Wilson of the Supreme Court of British Columbia denied the plaintiff's application for an interlocutory injunction.<br /><br />A similar challenge was launched by the Secwepemc Nation on March 12, 2007.<br /><br />The Lheidli T'enneh band members did not ratify the treaty in a treaty ratification vote held on March 30, 2007. In the vote 123 people voted against the treaty and 111 voted in favor of it.<br /><br />In response to this outcome, the British Columbia Treaty Commission undertook a "Lheidli T’enneh Communications Probe" to determine why the treaty was not ratified. This included a survey carried out by the Mustel Group, a marketing and public opinion research firm based in Vancouver.<br />recently there was a vote to propose a treaty agreement which put money, land and wildlife harvesting rights on the table. There was lots of relief when it was denied. it was close. the vote was denied by 53%. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-24307598757484761632013-10-24T11:00:45.620-07:002013-10-24T11:00:45.620-07:00what were the treaty's like in the past and ho...what were the treaty's like in the past and how are they now? what kind of treaties are there? what are they trying to do?<br />-Marie AntoineAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-84112368766000692492013-10-23T12:45:22.932-07:002013-10-23T12:45:22.932-07:00There was very little at the exhibit or on the web...There was very little at the exhibit or on the website about the reserve or life on the reserve, so I think my question will mainly be leaning toward what practices and materials are still used. The clothing on display at the exhibit was all made from traditional skins and fur. I imagine that this practice continues today, although I wonder what they used for thread before it was introduced. Many of the garments were decorated with shells, which would be traditional, and beads. In general, traditional practices are still used, but with a modern twist. Most of these adaptions don’t take away from the cultural meaning or uses. The best surviving aspects are those that can be seen as art or decoration. Some materials are harder to get ahold of, like animal skins and furs, so authentic symbols (a deer skin jacket) are highly regarded. Other logistical examples like pit houses were replaced a long time ago, and will probably not make a comeback.<br />PippaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-33715021933077569862013-10-23T11:01:02.151-07:002013-10-23T11:01:02.151-07:00During the clonization the Lheidli T'enneh wer...During the clonization the Lheidli T'enneh were at a different step of development so what the colons brought them and What did they change and what the Lheidli T'enneh brought to the colons? Did they put in common there knowledge? What happened during this cultural meeting?<br />Claire ButhiauxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-76753919718166526822013-10-23T10:51:10.445-07:002013-10-23T10:51:10.445-07:00The Lheidli T'enneh speak a dialect of the Car...The Lheidli T'enneh speak a dialect of the Carrier Language because the Lheidli T'enneh are Carrier people. <br />Few people today speak the language today. Maybe one day someone will bring it back. <br />- Madison WAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-80014981272869644912013-10-23T10:41:40.296-07:002013-10-23T10:41:40.296-07:00They lived in Prince George because it was a part ...They lived in Prince George because it was a part of the fur trade until we burned down everything they have, they still have a memorial in Fort George Park that goes as far back as the 1800's and some aren't even dated anymore, it was actually really cool to look at the last of the structures that were still there as well, because before I had no idea what they were!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05134269691916693709noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-68860177111819116072013-10-23T10:35:08.386-07:002013-10-23T10:35:08.386-07:00What language did the Lheidli T'enneh speak an...What language did the Lheidli T'enneh speak and do they use it at all today? <br /><br />Madison WAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-70462743240121558662013-10-23T10:33:06.940-07:002013-10-23T10:33:06.940-07:00After looking online i found the definition and tr...After looking online i found the definition and translation of the clans name. It translates to "The people where the two rivers flow together". This makes a lot of sense since our city is built around the Fraser and Nechako rivers. Having the rivers to survive off of was a large part of helping the clan survive which is shown through their fishing gear and canoes that could survive the rough waters. They are a sub division of the Dalkeh which means "People who go around by boat" which would also explain their fishing skill, boat structure, and how they came to discover and live in this area.<br /><br />-Riley WAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-5289530934150580982013-10-23T10:27:34.066-07:002013-10-23T10:27:34.066-07:00My question is about the cemetery. It was mentione...My question is about the cemetery. It was mentioned that the some of the bodies had been removed and some are still unmarked today. What would the Lheidli T'enneh have done with their dead that they either removed or buried?<br /><br />-Dyllan BAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-1927319195986787102013-10-23T10:19:15.119-07:002013-10-23T10:19:15.119-07:00i could not find the answer to my question in the ...i could not find the answer to my question in the exhibit, so today i googled it and found some very interesting stuff that defiantly answered my question. A pit-house is a primitive dwelling dug into the ground and roofed over. Besides providing shelter from extremes of weather, these structures may also be used to store food and for cultural activities like the telling of stories, dancing, singing and celebrations.<br /><br /><br />Definition:<br />A pit house (also spelled pithouse) is a type of residential structure or dwelling built by non-industrial cultures all over the earth. The "pit" part means that construction began by excavating a pit in the earth, from a few inches to more than three feet. A superstructure was then added to the excavation, low walls or simply a roof built of poles chinked with mud and covered with an earthen mound.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-90846314068153969042013-10-23T10:16:23.449-07:002013-10-23T10:16:23.449-07:00It seems to me that the Natives started losing rig...It seems to me that the Natives started losing rights as soon as they were not necessary to the settlers for furs anymore. They were not allowed to fish commercially or vote. Settlers pretty, much made up the rules for how they were allowed to live. They had all their rights taken away, and were forced onto reserves and forced to sell or juts plain give up the lands that had belonged to them for a long time. I think that they reacted surprisingly well to all of this. Despite how badly they were treated, they still helped out the settlers.<br />- Lyndsey B.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-64920369430497871072013-10-23T10:14:21.134-07:002013-10-23T10:14:21.134-07:00How many people did the Lheidli T'enneh have i...How many people did the Lheidli T'enneh have in there band at one time? Did there population go up or down as the settlers arrived in the area?<br />~David FAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-49679481476417892052013-10-23T10:14:02.537-07:002013-10-23T10:14:02.537-07:00At the exhibit yesterday i discovered that there a...At the exhibit yesterday i discovered that there actually is a display in the park for aboriginals before you enter the cemetery. I didn't find an answer as to why there is no section for the soldiers like Alex Bird in the remembrance day ceremony yet. I'm going to do some further research about that online. <br /><br />Kyrsten C. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-87960974054984022122013-10-23T10:10:22.449-07:002013-10-23T10:10:22.449-07:00How did the Lheidli T'enneh adapt to having to...How did the Lheidli T'enneh adapt to having to be part of a european society after being born and raised into an aboriginal society?<br /><br />sabrina Hnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-1310293743308997092013-10-23T10:09:37.057-07:002013-10-23T10:09:37.057-07:00At the exhibit yesterday I didn't find specifi...At the exhibit yesterday I didn't find specific reasons to answer this question. Like I the pamphlet we read first, I only mentioned they were not included in ceremonies etc. It didn't explain why. I'm going to look a bit further on the internet to see if I can find specific reasonings to my question :) <br />Paige C.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-86523769779011683422013-10-23T10:05:31.289-07:002013-10-23T10:05:31.289-07:00What does the Lheidli T'enneh culture, such as...What does the Lheidli T'enneh culture, such as their rituals, activities and history, contribute to how we live our lives today? Did they affect anything we do for better, worse, or is it just a piece of history we learn about?<br />-Dominic MAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7916404926279107738.post-1497354032013610252013-10-21T12:08:46.853-07:002013-10-21T12:08:46.853-07:00Interesting question -- alongside the fur trade th...Interesting question -- alongside the fur trade this makes an interesting study in colonizatinon, trade, partnerships, adaptation, pros/cons of intercultural connection. I'm curious to know whether the exhibit will help you answer this question.Thielmannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15907258798180934257noreply@blogger.com